Sesulak Ja chodim do Proefektu. Nebudem tu riesit a porovnavat jednotlive metody, ja som sa rozhodol pre tuto a chodim len tam nech mam konzistentne vysledky. Odporuca 10 z 10 efektivne trenujucich 
Dzuch-ban: tam uz sportove vysetrenie nechod robit nikdy 
.. ocividne o tom nevedia nic. Resp. tak max. ta brali ako pacienta. Spiro sice ako tak priblizne urci prah AnP, ale AP urcite nie. A potom na prahy vplyva aj kadencia, ak ta nenechali ist vlastnou spravnou, tak nic. Ja som naposledy bol u fajn doktora v Brne, co robil krivku, ale je to uz asi 10 rokov, snad to konecne niekto robi poriadne aj v BA.
.. ocividne o tom nevedia nic. Resp. tak max. ta brali ako pacienta. Spiro sice ako tak priblizne urci prah AnP, ale AP urcite nie. A potom na prahy vplyva aj kadencia, ak ta nenechali ist vlastnou spravnou, tak nic. Ja som naposledy bol u fajn doktora v Brne, co robil krivku, ale je to uz asi 10 rokov, snad to konecne niekto robi poriadne aj v BA.
Diky, tak teda keď mali uvedenu laktatovu krivku a nerobili mi ju odberom krvi, je to na reklamáciu ? mňa ešte zaujíma ten horný ventilačný anaerobny prah RCP, koľko teda býva cca z SF Max, keď ANP býva napr. tých 90 % z SF Max... No a teda spomínaný VO2max je závisly aj na váhe, prečo sa teda potom neuvádza celkové čislo, nie na to na kg, či by to potom nemalo takú výpovednú hodnotu ako napr. W/kg?
ANP ako % zo SFmax zavisi od kopy veci - u mna to za moju "karieru" pri stabilnom maxe okolo 196 lietal ANP od 157 do 184 takze pozerat sa na ANP ako 90% zo SF max je ehm pravdepodobne nepresne
tri mesiace bez akejkolvek aktivity uz maju zasadny vplyv na to kam ANP klesne (konkretny prah nie len vykon na prahu.aspon u mna malo).pri Tvojej bikovej historii a trenovanosti pri maxe 195 je pri vsetkej ucte k lekarke 143 ako anp relativne nepravdepodobne...
sorry naschval 2 prispevky riesiace tu istu otazku - si ma "donutil" googlit tak zase mam trochu rozsirene obzory
to co Ta zaujima je v bolde - ale urimne povedane pokial si nemal zasadny vypadok v jazdeni (ako ja ) tak mi to tiez pride ako haluz lebo toto by Ti prah dalo na uroven 159... (143+175)/2... ak VT1 bolo 143...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5143771/
edit: este som nasiel tuto tabulecku z tejto studie - ale ta je pre bezcov a bezecke prahy su posunute inde ako cyklisticke
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphys.2018.01320/full
www.frontiersin.org
Diky, tak teda keď mali uvedenu laktatovu krivku a nerobili mi ju odberom krvi, je to na reklamáciu 🙂 mňa ešte zaujíma ten horný ventilačný anaerobny prah RCP, koľko teda býva cca z SF Max, keď ANP býva napr. tých 90 % z SF Max... No a teda spomínaný VO2max je závisly aj na váhe, prečo sa teda potom neuvádza celkové čislo, nie na to na kg, či by to potom nemalo takú výpovednú hodnotu ako napr. W/kg?
to co Ta zaujima je v bolde - ale urimne povedane pokial si nemal zasadny vypadok v jazdeni (ako ja
) tak mi to tiez pride ako haluz lebo toto by Ti prah dalo na uroven 159... (143+175)/2... ak VT1 bolo 143...https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5143771/
Abstract
The aim was to determine whether the midpoint between ventilatory thresholds (MPVT) corresponds to maximal lactate steady state (MLSS). Twelve amateur cyclists (21.0 ± 2.6 years old; 72.2 ± 9.0 kg; 179.8 ± 7.5 cm) performed an incremental test (25 W·min-1) until exhaustion and several constant load tests of 30 minutes to determine MLSS, on different occasions. Using MLSS determination as the reference method, the agreement with five other parameters (MPVT; first and second ventilatory thresholds: VT1 and VT2; respiratory exchange ratio equal to 1: RER = 1.00; and Maximum) was analysed by the Bland-Altman method. The difference between workload at MLSS and VT1, VT2, RER=1.00 and Maximum was 31.1 ± 20.0, -86.0 ± 18.3, -63.6 ± 26.3 and -192.3 ± 48.6 W, respectively. MLSS was underestimated from VT1 and overestimated from VT2, RER = 1.00 and Maximum. The smallest difference (-27.5 ± 15.1 W) between workload at MLSS and MPVT was in better agreement than other analysed parameters of intensity in cycling. The main finding is that MPVT approached the workload at MLSS in amateur cyclists, and can be used to estimate maximal steady state.
The aim was to determine whether the midpoint between ventilatory thresholds (MPVT) corresponds to maximal lactate steady state (MLSS). Twelve amateur cyclists (21.0 ± 2.6 years old; 72.2 ± 9.0 kg; 179.8 ± 7.5 cm) performed an incremental test (25 W·min-1) until exhaustion and several constant load tests of 30 minutes to determine MLSS, on different occasions. Using MLSS determination as the reference method, the agreement with five other parameters (MPVT; first and second ventilatory thresholds: VT1 and VT2; respiratory exchange ratio equal to 1: RER = 1.00; and Maximum) was analysed by the Bland-Altman method. The difference between workload at MLSS and VT1, VT2, RER=1.00 and Maximum was 31.1 ± 20.0, -86.0 ± 18.3, -63.6 ± 26.3 and -192.3 ± 48.6 W, respectively. MLSS was underestimated from VT1 and overestimated from VT2, RER = 1.00 and Maximum. The smallest difference (-27.5 ± 15.1 W) between workload at MLSS and MPVT was in better agreement than other analysed parameters of intensity in cycling. The main finding is that MPVT approached the workload at MLSS in amateur cyclists, and can be used to estimate maximal steady state.
edit: este som nasiel tuto tabulecku z tejto studie - ale ta je pre bezcov a bezecke prahy su posunute inde ako cyklisticke
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphys.2018.01320/full
www.frontiersin.org
